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Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:25:00 - [1] Originally by: Riho lol.. show me a proper thread ... all i have seen for the last year is...."whaaaaaaaa i got killed by nanoz.... nerf nerf nerf because im to stupid to think and adapt" Strange, all I've seen is 'wahhhhh I can't kill anything unless I nano and am too stupid to try something else'. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:37:00 - [2] Originally by: THRASHER23 "For those of you who consider yourself to be Speedy Gonzales and enjoy travelling in Ludicrous speed this blog may come as a bit of a shock." Next time you want feed back on a controversial nerf that you obviously are bias to try not to come off so condescending. You call that condescending? You spent much time on these forums? Believe me that's polite and pleasant and businesslike. If you want condescending it can be arranged. Originally by: THRASHER23 Anyway your nerf here seems to advocate a way of gaming that your servers are not able to efficiently support, blobage. And how exactly is guerilla warfare suppose to be a viable tactic if speed is nerfed? It's a FACT that if want to have a chance at winning against an overwhelming larger enemy, smaller and faster is the way to go. This nerf if an obvious contradiction to your goal to keep guerrilla warfare a useful tactic. Small and fast guerilla warfare is a useful tactic and doesn't need nano-ships to do it. It's just a matter of what you do and how you do it. Over in Factional Warfare, those of us outnumbered on the Amarr side have had no choice but to use it, and we're not using nano-ships. Since when did we prohibit thinking outside the status quo in EVE? I would agree laggy blobs aren't the way to go, but that's virtually impossible to fix because people always flock together, it's natural. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 14:38:29 Originally by: KingCappo - small gang approaches blob - small gang engages blob - small gang turns on MWD to flee from blob - blob fires missiles at targets that have no speedtank and massive sig radius - blob kills small gang So explain to me again how this change preserves guerilla warfare? Explain to me why you feel you should be able to avoid committing to a fight when they changed WCS so those without lots of money couldn't? Guerilla warfare isn't about small gang facing down big blob. Read up on what it is. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Odre Echee Has anyone else noticed? Pro-change : apparently does this out of spite, "lol tears sweet", "lol serves you right" Anti-change : apparently finds time to explain why it's a bad idea. Rubbish. People have spent months explaining why nano's cause problems, even nano-pilots themselves, but those against the notion of losing their massive advantage in the ability to run away have spent the entire time going 'la-la-la it's working fine, adapt, learn to play' and I think understandably everyone else is now saying 'hah, now it's your turn to adapt you arrogant asses'. Whilst somewhat childish, it's perfectly human. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Originally by: Riho lol.. show me a proper thread ... all i have seen for the last year is...."whaaaaaaaa i got killed by nanoz.... nerf nerf nerf because im to stupid to think and adapt" Strange, all I've seen is 'wahhhhh I can't kill anything unless I nano and am too stupid to try something else'. i dont fly nano anymore.... i solo around in blaster ships and other type of tanked/plated ships. this hurts me as much as the nano ppl. and yes i USED to nano alot... but cba anymore Didn't say it applied to you personally; I echoed my alternate view of noticing a trend. If you're taking offence, you're either subconsciously aware that you might have been wrong, or reading far too much into what I posted. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 14:42:02 Originally by: Richard Angevian Which is my biggest objection in the proposed changes. That is WAY WAY too much power to give to a single module, it's so overpowered that you are going to see them literally every single engagement on every sort of ship. The irony is that part of this rebalance is supposed to be about getting rid of 'must have' modules. You're not thinking outside the box. A warp scrambler will have zero effect on an afterburner. Propose that ABs get a small increase if you feel they're too slow. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:48:00 - [7] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 14:49:29 Originally by: KingCappo Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Originally by: KingCappo - small gang approaches blob - small gang engages blob - small gang turns on MWD to flee from blob - blob fires missiles at targets that have no speedtank and massive sig radius - blob kills small gang So explain to me again how this change preserves guerilla warfare? Explain to me why you feel you should be able to avoid committing to a fight when they changed WCS so those without lots of money couldn't? Guerilla warfare isn't about small gang facing down big blob. Read up on what it is. from: Originally by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which a small group of combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger and less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) and mobility (advantage and surprise) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory. Please think before you post. I did, you are misreading. Nowhere will you find guerilla warfare applied directly force on force. That is what you are promoting. Note the very important line here: 'attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory.'. Since when is a blob a vulnerable target? You are alleging that the Swedish navy can engage the US navy force on force and win because they can orbit them faster and run away. I think the US navy might disagree. On the other hand a small force can cause disruption and kill stragglers or vulnerable targets avoiding the main force. That is guerilla warfare. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Ikvar DO NOT RUIN BLASTER SHIPS! FIT AN AFTERBURNER! Seriously, red bold text really doesn't help your point get across, it just makes you look childish. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Lorna Loot Originally by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which a small group of combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger and less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) and mobility (advantage and surprise) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory. Nanos v RR BS blob are pretty useless without massive ECM support. You're continuing to quote this like it applies. It doesn't; move on and discuss blobs for god's sake. It's a valid issue totally irrelevant to nano's - blobs affect everyone. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:00:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Nozh - Small roaming gangs existed long before polycarbon engine housings and snake sets. Sure we're reducing the maximum speed achievable but you'll still be able to go a lot faster than a standard MWD fit with various speed mods. Nuff said in my view. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...

Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Astria Tiphareth You're not thinking outside the box. A warp scrambler will have zero effect on an afterburner. Propose that ABs get a small increase if you feel they're too slow. This is a joke. I can tell from some of the absurdity and from having seen a lot of jokes in my time. Yes it's a joke. However, since nano's were a bad joke, I think it's time to find some new material. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: CCP Nozh Death to small roaming gangs - Small roaming gangs existed long before polycarbon engine housings and snake sets. Sure we're reducing the maximum speed achievable but you'll still be able to go a lot faster than a standard MWD fit with various speed mods. What the **** kind of an argument is this? Erm, a valid one? Care to actually counter it? ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Riho have you ever tryd to AB a megathron ??? have you ??? smaller blaster ships like deimos.... MYBE can do something whit a AB.. but a AB on hype/mega is soo useless its the same as whitout it True, but how about instead of complaining that they're fixing a game-wide problem, focus on the specific issues those fixes cause and how to address them. Of course blaster boats should remain viable. How about doing something constructive and suggesting how, because if you can't be bothered to do that, leave it to CCP because they clearly at least are prepared to think about EVE and its issues. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 15:09:03 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 15:08:31 Originally by: lebrata Why is somebody like you who obviously does not pvp so passionate about this nerf wny do you care as it obviously does not effect whatever it is you do in eve?. Hahahahahah. Oh that made my day. Learn to read. What part of being in the faction militia of the Amarr are you have trouble with? I PvP regularly, including against nano-ships. I do have some vague clue, thank you. Post with your main. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Murina cos with 14 kills and 8 losses in your entire eve career it seems that you should hardly care about pvp?. Like i said i mean no offence i just find it interesting that a lot of the pro nano nerf ppl are hardly what i would consider active pvpers?. Depends what you consider active. Active? yes Passionate? yes Regular? yes In 0.0? no, but the rub is that nano-ships aren't 0.0 specific. If they were then sure, I'd have no place to comment, but they can be flown anywhere. You don't see huge BS blobs in low-sec or high-sec that often, but you do see nano-ships. As for my personal kills, well anyone in the Amarr militia will tell you that you can go out quite a lot and just not see any action because the alternative is engaging large fleets, so it's not like I'm unsympathetic to the difficulties blobs cause. I just don't feel nano-ships are the right solution. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 15:37:06 Originally by: Xaen UI problems Your stuff? Actually I've got a lot of time for Xaen's complaints about the UI. That said, fixing gameplay problems probably does have to come above fixing usability issues, but not forever. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 16:11:38 Originally by: Matrixcvd what a bunch of illiterate, irresponsible, bend me over backwards to help the failures in this game bunch of destroyers, not devs, see you have to actually develop something worth playing instead of just destroying what the players have perfected. I do hope you have the balls to go to the Fanfest and say that to their face, because if not, you should shut up now. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Wesley Baird Perfect example...carebear alliance + carebear opinion Anyone surprised?! Because you of course are entirely unbiased, sensible, and have the entire game's balance at the back of your mind, not just your personal way to win? Please, quit with the name-calling, you're not in CAOD. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:22:00 - [19] Originally by: lebrata But because newer players tend to get disillusioned because of the abilities of those who have spent years and lots of money to improve their game play we are nerfing anything that makes being a long term eve player worthwhile and by doing this making low sp and basic ship fits and types 100% effective. To be succinct "screw you and the rest of the long term eve players" we make more money pandering to noobs cos most of you long termers aint gonna quit no matter what we do. Hardly fair. This is an MMO. If you arrange matters so that older players tend to win all the time, which CCP have made a blanket statement saying they don't want that, then of course new players are put off. Simple business sense. Of course, you're implying that all old players nano, and all new players suck at PvP and are carebears, which pretty much places you in a given camp immediately, and therefore there's not much point furthering the debate. To quote CCP in a recent press statement 'a bunch of T1 frigs will always be able to kill that expensive T2 ship'. I don't see a problem with that, even when I am the one owning that T2 ship. This is a social game, not a personalised version of Unreal Tournament. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Apertotes Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Cause when you tank, you stay there for the duration of the fight. When you nano, you leave when stuff turns south. Its no fun when someone disengages. well, welcome to the world of non-consentual PVP. it goes both ways, you know? Sure, then lets have WCS back the way it was, and let us all do it. No double standards, no 'you can run away from a fight but only if you're rich and can nano'. Problem solved, no nerf required. Somehow people seem against that notion. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...

Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:36:00 - [21] Originally by: lebrata In every game i have ever played older more experianced and better trained/equipped players have always been able to bet newer less skilled and equipped players, eve is the only game that already breaks that rule but this new nerf is making a form of pvp and ship type almost obsolete and not worth flying. I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not on the general case, but regardless of what other games do (and yes I do know about them) EVE can do better. Every level-based game I've been in it's 'get to level 50, then you can PvP' or 'lets have PvP-only chars that are already max level'. EVE has no levels and that's a great thing, but in so doing it has to ensure that new players can still contribute effectively. If, and I stress if, it were the case that nano-ships rule the battlefield and can't be touched by normal ships (and I've seen in-game evidence in both directions), then that is wrong, because they're expensive and have no inexpensive counter. I'm not convinced the changes makes anything obsolete. Speed is still perfectly possible from the numbers I've seen on the blog. If the only way to win in EVE is reduced to who has more ISK and has been in the game longer, then we might as well all quit PvP right now and go into trading. I say that without bias or direct relevance to the blog because I know plenty seem to think that 0.0 blob warfare is resolved that way. Player skill both individually and at the tactical, logistical and strategic level should determine who wins. That's the goal we should aim for. I don't think we've achieved it yet. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Bo Bojangles Afterburners should be a viable module selection for PVP. Someone is clearly out of touch with the Eve pvp community. Why? You're afraid you might have to think about a new fit? CCP took a look at the AB vs MWD issue and decided, quite rightly, that every PvPer under the sun fits an MWD. This implies a broken game design. When a single module is required on almost every ship, in a game aimed at modular ship fits for flexibility, you got something wrong. Alternatively, we dispense with modules altogether and everyone just flies a ship type. Welcome to Unreal Tournament in space. Someone is clearly out of touch with the notion of game design. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Branko The changes benefit small ships a whole lot, btw. I'm quite looking forward to trying out the new AFs, for one. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 18:19:24 Originally by: deadok yay, i even have an ab fitted rr bs. ab fitted logistics are viable choice too. even ab fitted inty has a role in empire/losec pvp. but in 0.0 you got a bubbles, you got a 20bs's snipe fleet, that comes @ 150km, pwns everything in bubble, pwns every mwding inty, and returns at pos. as i posted before 3-4 bcs in that 20ppl bs gang it becomes virtually invincible - they can't be couch by inty - they'll be long dead, you can't drop your close bs's on their head with scanning covops - all your bs sitting in bubble. currently i don't see any role for inty in a semi-large fleet xcept a scout (covops better in that role) or belt-hunter-buster (oh yeah, that is most valueble part of pvp in eve). same goes for af, cruisers, hc's(xcept sniper ones). welcome to a new snipe era (with a blobs ofc, since it takes too long to kill even 1 bs) Yes but I think people are confusing three separate issues (granted they're inter-related, so I'd have been happier had CCP addressed all three at once). 1) ABs suck. They suck enough that almost everyone fits an MWD given the chance. 2) Nano-ships can run away from fights. If CCP wanted that, they'd have not changed WCS so everyone couldn't run away from fights. 3) Blobs and gatecamps combined promote... more blobs and gatecamps! It's a deliberately short summary so I'm aware I'm over-simplifying it. With regard to the AB issue alone, there was a time it was discussed that we'd no longer end up with the ridiculous case that you need one fit for missions and a completely different one for PvP, which promotes a separation between PvE and PvP, and there shouldn't be. A newbie out in a level 1 mission should be learning PvP on easy mode, and they don't. As to the rest, I just find it sad that we don't have a good solution for blobs and gatecamps to go with this change. Overall I think if we had both, people would be happy enough and adapt. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 18:24:56 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 18:23:35 Originally by: KingCappo Originally by: Astria Tiphareth 2) Nano-ships can run away from fights. If CCP wanted that, they'd have not changed WCS so everyone could run away from fights. The difference is that, in order to fit a MWD, you have to gimp your cap and gimp the rest of your set-up in order to make it all fit. There was no similar trade-off with the WCS era. Ah yes, because that's really very specific to a nano-ship. Pray tell, which PvP fits these days don't fit MWDs other than possibly snipers? Edit: This sets aside that, regardless of the tradeoff, which as I've just shown is one we all have to make, not just nano-ships, CCP sent a clear message about committing to fights. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 25/07/2008 19:13:51 Originally by: DGWabbit Yes you can break your own game, you'd think that the 40 pages this has gone so far (majority are against your proposal) you would have realized that. The Dev's balancing ideas...I do not believe he plays on the main server in a 0.0 alliance. He should not be allowed to drastically affect the ENTIRE game. It's almost as bad as the carrier proposal of a 5 drone limit. No offense intended, i simply do not believe the dev in question is qualified to make this balance. Actually I think if you were to count the posts and repeated posts, it's only been about 100 people discussing it; hardly a representative figure, but then most people probably stopped looking at the forums years ago because it's mostly just a bile-filled cesspool. Secondly, 0.0 is not the ENTIRE game, it's 0.0. Stop exaggerating. If nano-ships only worked in 0.0, hell I suspect half the whines from people would stop because that's where they are probably the most genuine use (to avoid blobs). Meh I for one have given up arguing, people are too passionate about either side to see any sense. At least CCP come at it from the right direction, that of entire game balance, whether their approach is too strong or weak or whatever. I trust them more than I do some biased alliance group or empire-only PvE group. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Jesse Jamess why is it absurd to think that someone that has spent years skilling a certain tree should not have a advantage of someone that hasnt.... im not ****ing about omg im uber and this noob killed me... im saying that there is a logical advantage of someone that has spent time and isk to train and specialize in a certain field.... There is of course a logical advantage, but not one that should only be negated by equally spending ISK and training. The popular counters to nanos are exactly that, and it flies directly in the face of true MMO competitiveness. A group of new players should be able to take on a smaller group of older players and win 50% of the time on average (equal player skill of course). Your statement directly contradicted that. You were complaining that a new player has an equal opportunity to kill a person who has been skilling for years. Either we go back to the old and broken level system that other MMOs use (or have it in another name), or we allow new players that opportunity; you can't have both. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...*
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:57:00 - [28] Wow this is still going strong. Anyway, to those muppets who can't read, the warp disruptors are not going to stop MWDs. Warp scramblers - you know, those modules you never fit because they only go to 6.5km or so normally - they will disrupt the MWD. So that's four pages of totally inaccurate whines we can delete right now... ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...

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